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114 How the Church will be saved, during the Tribulation. How Israel will be saved afterwards. This discusses Pre-Tribulation period, and the Saints

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Preaching the truth, of how the current church will be saved first, before Israel can be saved

One of the purposes of this Blog message, is to show the Truth of Church Salvation now, versus the Jewish Believers Salvation later. Also it discusses, who the SAINTS are.

One of the purposes of this Blog message, and all its writings, is to show absolutely – and conclusively, the truth and difference, of the Church Christians now. This compared to, the strong Jewish Israel Christians now. Things will change, once the last 7 Years start, for the latter Jewish Christians.

Also this Blog, now discusses, who the SAINTS are.

This reveals, how God will work in the very last days, to save different people. We are very near to those days.

The chapters of this Salvation, are shown so clearly in Revelation. We all need to open our hearts, and minds, to understand these things clearly. I reveal how the book of Revelation alone, singularly discusses, how the new Jewish believers – will become:

The new SAINTS.

Of course the Bible (and Revelation), discusses other things, but these are also very revealing – about Christians, Jewish believers, and Saints.

The book of Revelation explains, that the word Saint, usually refers – to an enriched, and special set of JEWISH believers in JESUS. It does not mean just saved, but means a special set of people, who have been MORE – than JUST SAVED.

This is an answer, to a number of emails I have received.

The Bad emails want to deny, that God has promised this Salvation for the Jews, in the future. They claim, that Revelation, does not talk about them. BUT IT CLEARLY DOES. You will see all this, if you read Revelation properly, and do not close your HEART/MIND to THIS TRUTH.

These Bad Emails, are not true. I now try to point the truth out, much more clearly. God has made a special promise, to these Saints.

I want everyone to know first, that the True Church, who puts their trust in the work of Jesus alone – is already Saved now, by the work of Jesus. Individuals need to understand, that Christian Salvation is Secure.

Christians are secure now, before the Tribulation starts. When the Tribulation starts, they will then beforehand, immediately be Raptured/taken to Heaven. All those Christians and Jews, saved before this Tribulation starts, will already have been taken to Heaven. But what about the Latter saved Jews, from this Seven Year period, ONWARDS?

Please note: The Laws set by God in the OLD TESTAMENT, are different for Christians before the Tribulation. They are different, until the LAST 7 Years start. This time was again set, for the unbelieving Jewish people, at the start of the 7 Year Tribulation – to then become SAINTS, through JESUS.

All left behind, starting as unbelieving Jews in JESUS, will have to go through this Tribulation time. However, during this time, a third of Jews will be saved, but two thirds will not be saved.

The way Jews will be saved, during this Latter time, may be harder for them. That is because, after Christians are taken to Heaven, the life of Jewish believers left behind – will be immensely more troublesome and difficult. They will need to trust JESUS far more, for God’s protection, and New Birth Salvation.

The Church will not suffer all this, as they will have already been taken to Heaven. However, for now until then, the Church will still need to continue – their serving and loving God. This with God’s great Closeness, Love and Redemption of them, by His own power direct – HIMSELF.

I now write, about the true way of Salvation for the Jewish people, who will be saved differently – after Christians have already been taken to Heaven.

Firstly though, I just want to point out, that there are 3 types of people – that I now talk about. That is, from this below picture.

Image result for free pictures.Three types of people
The Church saved people, Jewish believers, those of no faith

1. I discuss the Church and Christians, as those who will be saved FIRST, and now.

2. I discuss the Jewish and Israel believers in Jesus, to be saved later, after the Church has been taken to Heaven.

3. I also discuss the unbelievers. That is, those who are not in the Christian or Jewish camp. They are/will experience, the terrible times of no faith.

I need to introduce, the wrong and right ways to believe, and how to have proper faith. The book of Revelation discusses, that there are 2 4 Elders mentioned in Revelation.  These 2 4 Elders, are referred to as 2 x 1 2 sets, of serious leaders of God – mentioned in OLD and NEW Testaments.

These 2 4 Elders, are listed as:

A. First 1 2. Old Testament, Greatest Jewish Leaders

B. Second 1 2. Apostles, Greatest in the New Testament

The Old Testament, lists these GREAT 1 2:

Reuben,   Simeon,   Levi,   Judah,   Issachar,   Zebulun,   Dan,   Naphtali,   Gad,   Asher,   Benjamin, Joseph (then removed and known later as  Ephraim and Manasseh

Then the New Testament, lists these GREATEST 1 2:

Simon,   Andrew,   James,   John,   Phillip,   Bartholomew,   Thomas,   Matthew,   James,   Simon, Judas (son of James),   Judas Iscariot

These two lists together, both add up to 2 4. This tells us, that God is working over 2 sets of 1 2, in the Bible. This equals the 2 4 Elders, mentioned in Revelation.

Note: Saints are mentioned many times, in the Book of Revelation. These names of Saints are used, and mentioned differently, in Revelation. The mention in Revelation is different, than in other parts of the Bible. That is, the uses of word, Saints.

I will now discuss, all the times the words Saints are used, within Revelation.

What is the word Saints, and why is it revealed like this. What is it is saying about God’s way, to continue to save his people, and who are they?

This will open our eyes, to the difference, that God is showing – about the Church and Israel, in the very last days.

Rev 5. 8, contains the following details, of the 4 Beasts and 2 4 Elders:

The 4 living creatures (or Beasts), and the 2 4 Elders, fell down before the Lamb, JESUS.

But how beautiful, did the Beasts Fall? Each one (including the 2 4) had a harp, and they were holding golden bowls, full of incense – which are the Prayers of the Saints.

Who are the Saints?

They include the 2 4 elders. These are the all time believers, of the Old and New Testament, and are special Believers. The 2 4, have a real big purpose in the future, as the SAINTS.

In this context, please read: Revelation 1 9: 4.

‘The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried: “Amen, Hallelujah!” ‘

Who are the Four Living Creatures?

In summary, these 4 beings, may be an exalted order of Angels – whose purpose, is primarily that of Worshipping JESUS. But is that REALLY TRUE. They are also known in the King James Bible, as BEASTS. Beasts are anti-God people. That would mean, that these 4, are to be watched carefully, for error.

The 2 4 Elders, are in some ways, involved in God’s divine justice. Notice, In Revelation 7 verse 1, it states that the 4 (Beasts) – are all Angels. Remember, Revelation tells us, that a third of all Angels – will fall, as are led by Satan. These “4 Angels standing, at the 4 corners of the Earth”, may be led by Satan.

The Seven are also mentioned. They are seals (and also spirits of God) etc. The FALSE ANGELS, discuss these. We are now involved, in the first 4 seals.

There are 7 that are revealed. That is, in discussions of, 4 False angels/Seals, and 3 Destructive events. The lamb (Jesus) reveals these events on Earth, after the Rapture and the Seven Years, and the afterward Glory EVENTS.

Here the word Saints is used. It refers to the special chosen JEWISH believers, of all time, through Old and New Testament.

Revelation 6: 9 – 1 1

This now discusses, the death of the Church first, and is known as 5th Seal. This is mentioned first, before the Salvation and death, of Jewish believers is mentioned, and discussed in chapter 6.

That Last part, of JEWISH PEOPLE later saved, is in Revelation chapter 6, verses 1 2 – 1 7 – during 6th seal. We then learn about the 1 4 4,0 0 0 new Jewish believers in chapter 7. This LISTS their Old Testament JEWISH Bible names.

Then a much larger number than 1 4 4,0 0 0, will be saved later, and after the LAST 3.5 Years. These are a THIRD, of the whole of Israel, saved at that time. That may grow soon, to Multi Million people. See my notes, on next 2 passages.

These Jewish people, are shown in chapter 7, and in verses 9 – 1 0. They were “a great multitude, that no-one could count”. How many is that? Our minds, cannot deal, with these sort of numbers! It must be many Millions, of people. To prove this, I ask, how many people or numbers, is a third of the whole of Jewish people, all over the Earth – right now?

I now reveal, what Revelation tells us, about the Saints – and show clearly who these people are. I will now give a full description, of the Saints. The chapter of Revelation, is highlighted in Brown.

In Revelation chapter 7 verses 1 3 – 1 7, it asks: “who are these in white robes”. They are those, who have come out of the Great Tribulation.

They must have been taken out, from the Great Tribulation, before it fully started. The great Tribulation, can only begin to start, at the end of the first 3.5 Years. This is after the Church, is first taken out, at the beginning of this first 3.5 years.

This is the beginning of the Tribulation, but not the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation, starts after the first 3.5 years has completed. The Church was taken, before the first Tribulation started.

The Second 3.5 years, will include the time of the Jewish Salvation, which will be added to it. We have also just read, about the 1 4 4,0 0 0 Jewish believers being saved. So this passage, is now referring to the multitude more, of other Jewish people. That is the third of Jews being saved, which is a massive number.

These events, will all start to happen, after the Church has been taken to Heaven – and the Jews are left behind on the Earth. They will be left behind, to face the first part of the Great Tribulation. But they will only face a part of it.

We now hear, about the Prayers of the Saints, and everything mentioned in Revelation about the Saints.

Notice: I cannot find any Saints mentioned beforehand, in Revelation, until this first mention of them – in Chapter 7, re the Prayers. These Jewish Christian Saints, appear for first time in Revelation, after the Church has been taken to Heaven. They are not mentioned, while the Church was on Earth.

This first mention of SAINTS, is after we hear, of the Last 6th seal, which includes the JEWISH 1 4 4,0 0 0 SAINTS. It is only then, that the NEW Jewish Christians, left behind on Earth, are now known as SAINTS.

This is what it says in REVELATION Chapter 8 verse 3: “another angel, who had a golden sensor, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer” – with all the prayers of the Saints, on the golden altar, before the throne.

Revelation chapter 8 Verse 4, says:

The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of the Saints, went up before God – from the angel’s hand”. This is first mentioned, after the Church is taken to Heaven, and the Jews remain on the Earth.

Revelation Chapter 1 1 verse 1 8 says:

“the time has come, for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets – and your Saints, and those who reverence your name”.

This relates to both small and great – and for destroying those who destroy the Earth. This is happening, after the Church has been taken, and just before Israel’s Ultimate Salvation.

Revelation 1 1 Verse 1 9, says

“Then God’s Temple in Heaven, was opened”.

This happens, after Church has already been taken home to Heaven. Earlier, the Church had been taken to Heaven, but we were informed that the Temple was not yet opened. So why is it now mentioned, that it is now open?

This is because, the events mentioned above, were needed first – before the throne/temple was opened.

The throne was not open initially for the Church, but it is now open, after the Jews are Saved.

The word Saints usually means, those solely consecrated to the Lord, for an important job.

In Pre-Revelation days, the work was different, and that could apply to the Church. However, we know that those saved, after the Church are taken – will have a very mighty work to do.

These will be known as Saints because of the nature of their job, in those Last days.

This word now applies, to Jewish believers of the last days, as only these can now be known as Saints – because the church is no longer here.

Note that the word Saints, is used much more in the latter parts of Revelation, and not at the beginning. This means that the word Saints is much more referring to Israel, and not any longer to us.

Revelation 1 3 verse 7 says

“He was given power to make war against the Saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.”

Only the Jewish Saints remained on Earth, and not the Church, at that time. Satan was given 4 2 months at this time, which was in the last days of Jewish Saints being killed.

Revelation 1 3 verse 1 0 says

“this calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the Saints”.

What patient endurance? This is referring to the trouble caused by the beast, who now is able to be unleashed on the Earth.

Revelation 1 4 verse 1 2 says:

“this calls for patient endurance on the part of the Saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus”.

This is referring to a time when the beast is now freely worshipped. He will become freed, until the Jews believe, and then are killed.

Revelation 1 7 verse 6 says

“I saw that the woman was drunk, with the blood of the Saints, the blood of those – who bore testimony to Jesus.”

Again, this is referring to non-Church people, but Jewish people being saved. The time of the false Catholic church, will lead to multitudes following Satan, and there will be a fall of the Jews – until the Jewish believers (a third) die for their faith.

Revelation 1 8 verse 1 9 – 2 0 says

“‘Woe! woe, o great city, Where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth! In one hour, she has been brought to ruin!”

Rejoice over her, oh heaven! Rejoice, Saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you.

This is referring to the fall of Catholic society, and happens at the very end of the Jewish return to Christ, and after the Church has been taken to Heaven.

Revelation 1 8 Verse 2 4 says

“In her was found the blood of prophets, and of the Saints.

Again, this is talking about a major time, at the very end – after the Church has been taken to Heaven, and the Saints are still on Earth.

Revelation 1 9 verse 7 – 8 says

“For the wedding of the lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear.”

Fine linen, stands for the righteous acts of the Saints. The righteous acts of the Saints, are given to the bride Jesus? That means the Saints must be the closest to Jesus, with best ever of lives. Who are they? They are the 1 4 4,0 0 0?

Note. This is the last chapter in Revelation, where Saints is mentioned. Last time is in chapter 1 9.

I have now closely checked all 2 2 books of Revelation, and believe I have not left out any mention of Saints.

I have written, to show how the book of Revelation explains the future.

That book is more clear, than most realise. It shows the way to be saved, for the Church, and then for Jewish believers.

I have gone through every example, used in Revelation, of the word Saints – and show that this word is used at that time, to describe the Jewish believers, and the job they are left to do. It is never used to describe the Church, but only the Jews.

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I was in hospital asleep, for a full 4 months or so, and still find it very hard to remember - many things, which happened before my accident. However, the major thing is, that God has revealed Himself to me very specially. He has awoken me to remember my trust in Him.

It is amazing, that the only things I really remember, is that I used to run this blog - and I do remember much about it, and will continue it. Many things have left my memory, but I do remember my salvation and how to serve Jesus/God. I also remember Him, and His needs for me to serve Him, and win others to Him.

God has now enabled me again, to be able to write very strong messages.

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I hope you can use my blog and read it properly. I desire that what God has spoken to me seriously, during and after this accident etc will be revealed to many people.

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4 replies on “114 How the Church will be saved, during the Tribulation. How Israel will be saved afterwards. This discusses Pre-Tribulation period, and the Saints”

Mike’s message sent here.

John I find your words very difficult to understand and follow.

I do not accept a lot of the things written by you in Revelation. I now explain much, but I know you may not show everything.

John’s reply:
I have not posted everything Mike said, because the words may be confusing for many to read. The above has been simplified, so that I can show my reply, in a way which is easier for everyone to read and follow.

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Hi Everyone and Mike

It is clear to me that the book of Revelation reveals that God has a purpose up to chapter 6 and the 5th seal for the church (this is up to verse 11).

Solely afterwards, we read about the Jewish Saints being saved after the church is taken from chapter 6 verse 12 onward. This occurred as part of 6th Seal. See also chapter 7 in full (re Jews salvation).

There should never be confusion over this. It is only then (from last part of chapter 6 and 7) that we then start to read so much about the SAINTS in Revelation. They are never mentioned (as far as I can see) until chapter 8. Chapter 8 is the time when the Saints are first mentioned. Before and a part through chapter 6, then the full concentration was on the church only, and never was there a discussion about them after they were taken.

This is only mentioned when we first read about the Jewish people being saved, which was after the church has been taken.

If I am wrong I need proof, but the context (does seem to speak much more clearly) that there are two times involved between the church Christians and then Israel Jewish believers. This seems so obvious.

We all need to honestly and fairly open our hearts and minds to this clarity, and not allow our hearts to be hardened from it, by then keep telling John that He has got it wrong. I need people to know the amazing wonder of what God has done for me.

Those who know me more, and the hospital surgeons, will declare my amazing healing. These people will surely be aware that I must have experienced something amazing from God . This should make it clear to all of us that I may now learn more from God than ever and should be listened to without being oddly torn apart.

So I hope that everyone will take my words very seriously and act more seriously on them.

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Hi

I have written a much longer reply hear to the questions I received. The full reply is also now shown in full on my next message which should have appeared as 115.

This is my Bible reply to some questions I have received since my last blog message. It especially covers the answers I have now given in Revelation.

I now explain a bit about Revelation 5 verse 8 which was not covered in my last blog, but I now explain it. Revelation 5 is the very first time that Saints was mentioned in Revelation.

It says “and when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

This happened at a time when the 24 were mentioned which are the Saints of the whole bible. The 24 are the 12 leaders in the old testament and the 12 mentioned in The new testament as the full most important leaders of there time in Israel.

Chapter 6 and 7 go onto describing Israel and the church, and as shown below, there is a difference in the calling home of the church and then Israel Jewish people. Powerful people of God (who have a special relationship with Him) are especially close to Him. These will always pray and therefore will be known as Saints, due to that special relationship.

Of course all believers have a serious relationship with God and have special fellowship with God. But there are those like these 24 who have an even greater experience of God or even more special calling of their relationship with Him.

The 24 mentioned in Revelation reveal this as true. However, Revelation has another aim and includes the churches salvation first, and then goes more into depth explaining the Jewish salvation afterwards.

It explains the much needed prayers of the Jewish believers, from Chapter 8 onward, which comes directly after this message in chapter 5. It is clear to me that the book of Revelation reveals that God has a purpose up to chapter 6 and gives details of the 5th seal for the church (up to verse 11).

Solely afterwards, we read about the Jewish Saints being saved after the church is taken, from chapter 6 verse 12 onward. This occurred as part of 6th Seal. See also chapter 7 in full (re Jews salvation).

There should never be confusion over this. It is only then (from last part of chapter 6 and 7) that we only then start to read much about the SAINTS in Revelation. They are never mentioned in real detail (apart from mentioning the 24 and who they are) until chapter 8.

Chapter 8 is the first time when the Saints are more fully mentioned, properly. Before chapter 8 there was a section explained on the church only.

And never was there a later discussion about the church after they were taken in chapter 6.

This is only mentioned when we first read about the Jewish people being saved, which was after the church has been taken.

If I am wrong I need very strong and even clearer proof. However, the context (does seem to speak much more clearly) that there are two times involved between the church Christians and then Israel Jewish believers. This seems so obvious.

We all need to honestly and fairly open our hearts and minds to this clarity, and not allow our hearts to be hardened from it, by then keep telling me that I have got it wrong. I need people to know the amazing wonder of what God has done for me to heal and set me free from a usual death.

Those who know me more, and the hospital surgeons, will declare my amazing healing. These people will surely be aware that I must have experienced something amazing from God . This should make it clear to all of us that I may now learn more from God than ever and should be listened to without being oddly torn apart. So I hope that everyone will take my words very seriously and act more seriously on them.

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Thanks everyone for reading this message and Mikes great questions. I have spent a lot of time giving answers to the questions which I hope you will all read. Please also look at the latest parts related to the question:

“How the Church will be saved during the tribulation and then Israel soon afterwards. Discussion of the Pre – Tribulation period and describing who and what are the Saints”

Please send your further replies here.

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