472 Comparing how to be Truly Saved, Biblical Way, Compared to False Nicky Gumbel Way

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False Nicky Gumbel way. He is encouraging, False and Wrong Faith, to believe and follow.

This is continuation, of the writings, of Page 4 4 9.

To those who are “Ready”, this shows, how Gumble Falsely counsels. He has: “Picture of Christ, standing in front of you”. Gumbel’s “Image of Christ”, is: Holding a Blank cheque, offering the untold riches of heaven – to anybody, who will let Jesus, fill in their name.

The hardest part, of his becoming a Christian, is just getting out those difficult words: “I am sorry, but I was wrong.” Once anyone Prays “The Prayer”  to “Receive Christ”, they are assured by Gumbel, “If you’ve asked Him to come in, He has.”

I will now finish, by revealing more Bad thoughts/ideas, from: Alpha and Gumbel. That is, these opposed ideas to true Christianity, and their terrible publications.

1. Alpha Approves, of the Roman Catholic Church. This Catholic approval, is more frequent, and is more positive for them – than any other religious body.

2. Gumbel also Approves, of the Catholic Alpha. This includes extra talks, Such as: “Why should I go to Mass?” Adverts for Catholic Alpha, appear in Alpha’s newspaper, Alpha News.

I now look, at these other 1 1 points, of Alpha and Gumbel. Please open, and read these of 3 to 1 1.

3. Ch 3 of Questions of Life, Nicky Gumbel. Taken from Kingsway, Eastbourne 1 9 9 3 – and from video talk Number three. The Alpha Course (Alpha International Publications, Brompton, London, 2 0 0 0).

4.  Alpha News, July 1 9 9 7, p. 1.

5. Evangelism, Which Way Now?, Mike Booker/Mark Ireland, Church House Publ, London, 2 0 0 3, p. 2 3.

6. Alpha News, March-June 2 0 0 4,  p. 7.

7. Confirmed in a letter from Holy Trinity Brompton to Michael Penfold dated 2 3rd March 2 0 0 5

8. Genuine Salvation, A. W. Pink, International Outreach, Ames, IA, 1 9 9 9,  p. 1 2 1.

9. Repentance, Richard Owen Roberts, Crossway Books, Wheaton IL, 2 0 0 2, p. 8 6.

10. Questions of Life, Nicky Gumbel, Kingsway, Eastbourne, 1 9 9 3,  p. 5 4.

11. Ibid, pp. 5 2 – 5 3.

12. Ibid, p. 6 3.

13. Video Talk 4, The Alpha Course, 2 0 0 0.

Other Parts of this message, have been saved in other places. They may appear later (if needed), on Blog Pages 4 6 0 or 4 4 9. For now, this message here on 472, has now been reduced – by what is in 4 4 9.

Please now look at some immense conversations, by me, and others – below.

Posted by John Chingford at 8: 1 0 pm

Labels: Becoming a Christian and receiving Salvation, Ecumenical Organisations Specific Info, Errors Of Experiential Christianity, False Teachers and Prophets, Info On Specific Ecumenical Organisations

John Chingford

An important note now, for you to read first. This helps us have more clarity, over my writings above.

Most of the original essence, has not changed. It is now, that a few words have been changed, to make things easier to read. But the essence, is still mostly there.

I have now changed the writing/detail, of all the above now. I now use wording, that is much easier to read, and be understood.

1 3 comments:

Tony Cox said… 

John

This post is right on time.  I have a very close friend who took the alpha course about a year ago.  My friend asked me, if I wanted to go, and for some reason I was not interested at all.

I did not know much about it then, but saw some information,  posted on Moriel – about 3 weeks ago.  I started to discuss the dangers of the course, with her, and she listened – but she is not convinced, as she stated:

“well I am sure there are people out there who would endorse it” – and my response was “yes, and Rick Warren is one of them” – to my surprise she had been given a copy of his book Purpose Driven Life, I then explained to her that in doing research – there are now many dual course offerings with “Alpha Course” along with “Purpose Driven Life” courses.

Did you realize these were being offered in some arenas? So, now I will share this article with her hoping it will get through.

I ran across this while searching for info on Alpha Course – I did not get the chance to find out how credible it is, but if true, it is interesting to see the financial and Illuminati connections behind the course – here is a small excerpt:

The congregation and friends of Holy Trinity Brompton financed the Alpha development, and resource courses were sold at a profit. Since the goal was to involve the whole world in their project, Alpha International was founded in 2001. Capitol investment became worldwide, and was headed by a Jewish banker, Ken Costa, Chairman of Alpha Partners.

This banker just happened to be Vice Chairman of UBS -Warburg, London. UBS stands for Union Bank of Switzerland-Warburg. The banking firm of Walburg has long been linked to the giant international Marxist Rothschild banking conglomerate based in the City of London. Isn’t it strange that Warburg would be running a Christian organization?

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John Chingford said…

Thanks Tony for that information, and for that hidden insight. It doesn’t surprise me, and fits in well, with my findings – in the post, and in “who runs the world ……”

I have copied your comment, on that post too.

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Tony Cox said… 

Hi John

Wanted to send this your way – transcript of Rick Warren in 2007 endorsing Alpha and mentioning Nicky Gumbel and Ken Coasta:

Rick was speaking about Alpha on a special video filmed in India, where his organization is working with Alpha and the Billy Graham Association in the My Hope India project through which millions came to Christ in the spring of 2 0 0 7.

Full Transcript of the Testimony by Rick Warren:

“Over 3 0 years ago in London, England, God began a movement that has now spread all around the world. It’s called the Alpha course, begun by my dear friends Nicky Gumbel, Ken Costa and other friends. We’ve seen this course expand to be used to reach literally millions of people to Christ.

If you have never heard of Alpha, I want to challenge you to check it out. It is one of the most effective evangelism tools for the 2 1st century.

The Alpha course can be used in three different ways. First, it can be used with people who have absolutely no religious background at all. It can be used with seekers or enquirers.

It is a good way to bring people to a small group study who would never be caught dead in a church – they’ll take that first step, they’ll sit on a couch with some friends and examine the claims of Christ and what is really does mean to be a follower of Jesus. Millions of people have come to Christ through this way.

A second way you can use it is to revitalize your Church, to bring new renewal in a Church which has lost its vision, that has lost its commitment, that has been on auto pilot for some time.

Many, many traditional Churches, mainstream, mainline Churches have used Alpha to find new growth and new renewal as people come alive and rediscover the vision of the great message of the good news.

A third way you can use it is to help with new believers. It is a great first step course, because it goes over the basics of why we believe what we believe and what we do believe.

Many of you have heard of the 4 0 Days of Purpose campaign that is also being used by God mightily around the world. 4 0 Days of Purpose and Alpha fit together like hand in glove.

It really doesn’t matter which one you do first. If you have done 4 0 Days of Purpose, you need to do Alpha: if you have done Alpha, you need to do 4 0 Days of Purpose, because these two are similar programs inspired by the Holy Spirit to

• deepen and develop the Church

• help us fellowship deeper

• help us grow more like Christ

• help us learn to serve in ministry

• help us to share our faith in mission

So, as the author of The Purpose Driven Church and The Purpose Driven Life, I, Rick Warren, want to tell you that Alpha has my 1 0 0% endorsement and I would encourage you to use it in small groups in your Church and everywhere that you can.

God bless you.

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John Chingford said…

Thanks Tony

If I didn’t know otherwise, your last comment, almost sounds like you are endorsing Alpha – which I know you are not, but others visiting may think you are. Especially as it states, “millions coming to Christ”.

I wonder if you could comment, on your observations, of that report by Rick Warren? By the way, I found the same article, on an “Alpha USA” website – as follows:

http://alphausa.org/Mobile/default.aspx?group_id=1000041932&article_id=1000047767

I will copy/paste the comment, also onto, “who runs the world” – because the comment helps to see, how everything seems to fit together, in the world. That is, in the Political, Economic – and Religious Conspiracy.

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Tony Cox said… 

Hi John,

You are so correct – I made a mistake – I should have made my point as such:

If Rick Warren is tied in with or endorsing Alpha – that should raise a BIG GIANT RED FLAG!

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Tony Cox said… 

John

I should have been clear in my post, I was alaways suspect of Alpha, and actually had no idea that Rick Warren had any association or endorsements of the program until approximately 3 weeks ago when researching for a friend of mine who attended the course as well as owning a copy of his book.

The information you have provided in the past on Rick Warren should surely be enough to raise a red flag for anyone who may have an interest in his philosophy or who he associates with.

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Expected Imminently said…

Tony
I am ashamed to say, that the Alpha ‘curse’, is home grown in Britain. It’s the thin end of the wedge, introducing all the recent heresies.

Many here have written condemning it, and exposing its non-Biblical stance, yet it seems to have revitalised itself through Purpose Driven – since the demise of ‘Toronto’ and ‘Pensacola’.

The people I know, who have done Alpha, remain as lost – as ever they were, while being told they are now ‘saved’, by the false teachers feeding them this poison.

Like all cults, Alpha feeds upon the needs, and weaknesses of people – who are weakened, by some sort of loss (illness), or sorrow in their lives. They are told, what they want to hear, rather than what they need to hear.

That is, that they are sinners on their way to hell, unless they turn to Jesus – believe and trust in Him, to save them from sin.

God bless

Sue (wary)

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John Chingford said… 

Thanks Tony and EI

Rick Warren’s report, that says “millions are coming to Christ” has to be read “tongue in cheek”.

Yes millions are coming, through the Terrible Alpha courses. But these are per usual, Rick Warren lies, or exaggerations. According to Rick’s estimation, there are at least, 1 billion Christians in the world.

To have that number, you would have to include, the Catholics – Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons etc. Indications show, that Rick does include these, as being “Christians?”.

His understanding of being a believer, is wrong. His understanding is not, as the Apostle Paul told Timothy (in the bible). He actually said, that It would happen in the last days, that people would “hold onto a form of godliness, but deny its power”.

Rick thinks, that people only need to ask Jesus into their lives (without real repentance), similar to the False Catholic way – to become a believer. This is never true.

His pretence Jesus, is an experience, not a person – and satisfies His selfish, self-god on the throne of his life, desire to have things. That is, such as gaining power, and feelings – and not surrender.

This is what the Apostle Paul means, by Denying the Power of Salvation, as another supernatural power of self. Rick and Nicky use it, as a self power, and weaken the true salvation, into something everybody could accept. Where is the real power, of a truly saved life by Jesus alone? Where is the revelation, that Jesus is the only way to salvation etc?

What does Rick mean, by “Millions becoming believers”? What sort of believers, is he actually talking about?

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Tony Cox said… 

Sue – John

Thanks for the feedback.

I tried to share John’s latest piece on Alpha with my friend, and she stated she just was not interested and it did not matter to her as she was already done the course and does not really know anyone currently associated with it.

I then explained that – she should still take a look at it, and that I was not “coming down on her” for taking it sometime ago, that was in the past and she should know the truth going forward, so that in the event she run across someone interested, or planning on taking the course she will have information to give them.

I further explained that I do not know anyone other than her who have taken the course, but I still wanted to know the truth about it so that I may warn others of the dangers it presents when an applicable situation arises.

I also stressed the point that Jesus spoke of deception within the church in the last days 4 times more than anything else (I believe that is correct, I may be mistaken) when He spoke on the subject.

She then told me that those of us who seem to be so “zealous” with our critique of such issues, would be the very ones to crucify Him again if He returned to Earth, hypothetically speaking.

Unbelievable!!! I share this with you all, because it is heart-breaking, and deeply saddening to me – that I would be viewed, in such a manner.

It also confuses me, in that maybe I am not doing this the right way. I have what I feel to be a conviction that runs very deep about alerting others of the apostasy we face in these last days (among many other things), but I must admit that I doubt myself in that maybe I am not meant to do this, as I seem to be made to feel as “the bad guy” or “the negative one” by others.

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John Chingford said… 

Hi Tony

Remember, it was those of the same Judaic faith, that persecuted the prophets etc etc. I believe, when the scriptures talk about our persecution (in the last days), it will be mostly from the religious – or even from “so called Christians”, who only “hold” to a FORM of godliness.

This attitude is to be expected, and is my experience also. They say that we are like the religious Jews, who killed Jesus.

They say that the scribes and Pharisees, were so stringent in the scriptures, that they were unable to accept Messiah – when He came. What utter nonsense! They couldn’t recognise Messiah, because they couldn’t recognise the real truth, of how to be truly saved. They could not see “The Forest, for the trees”.

We are the ones, who take a step back, so that we CAN see the Forest more clearly – and see the whole picture, far better.

These hypocrites, are so caught up in the Forest of “experiences” etc, that they hardly ever study the scriptures – anymore. Therefore, they are unable to take a step back (using the scriptures to check things out), to see the “whole picture”.

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John Chingford said… 

Tony, I have copied your last comment, and mine – to the post entitled “Fellowship and Connecting True Believers Together”. I have now added them, to the existing comments. It would be good, to continue this conversation, there.

On that post, I think we should encourage one another, on this very issue – that you have voiced out.

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John Chingford said… 

I should clarify something, on my penultimate comment. I mentioned that the religious Jewish leaders, could not see the wood for trees. What I mean is, that they were so caught up in scriptural commentaries, like – the Talmud, Midrash etc.

Also, they were caught up in the traditions of men, and Rabbi teachers (gurus?) – that they could no longer see, and understand, the real truth.

Making it clearer now, they were so caught up in these things, that they could not, properly read and know the Scriptures. Therefore, they were biased, towards expecting a specific messiah – but not Jesus.

In fact, their hearts became increasingly hardened towards Jesus, because (as Jesus put it) – they were wicked for “Their father the devil”. They were stiff-necked, with hardened hearts.

If they checked the scriptures, with a sincere heart, and “Loved the Lord their God, with all their hearts, minds – soul and strength” – like some Jewish people, they would also have recognised Him. That is, Jesus, as their Messiah.

Actually the scriptures say, that there was a veil over their eyes, so that they could not see. But it also says, that when a man turns to the Lord, the veil is removed.

So it is not right, to say that Christians, who put too much emphasis on the scriptures – are like those same religious Jews, and miss God when He moves.

In Fact, we are different, because – we do not put our trust in these following things:

– Commentaries

– Experiences

– Traditions of men

– Teachings of “great” men

But we place our confidence in the Lord, and in His unadulterated Word of God.

Paul said in romans 1 0 “Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God”. So the Word of God, is vital for Faith, to grow especially – when He speaks the Rama Word of God, directly to our hearts, when we read His Word.

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Trace Hayter said… 

I love your website, having come across it only this week. I’m posting a link in response to the comment from Tony Cox on May 14th 2010.

The link is to a copy of the book ‘The Hidden Secrets of the Alpha Course’ by John D Christian.

The excerpt Tony quotes is from a review done of this book by a lady named Nancy Thomson.

You can read the whole book online.  I hope this ‘illuminates’ those, who wrongly see nothing wrong with Alpha!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15118047/Hidden-Secrets-of-the-Alpha-Course

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