425 Truth About Christian Zionists given. This written also revealing, the terrible Bad opposition, with Wrong Accusations

Page 425

Truth about Christian Zionists given. This also revealing, the Terrible Bad Opposition, with Wrong Accusations

Sunday, 8 April 2 0 1 2

Truth about Christian Zionists. Response to False Accusations

I was asked to read a report, of a Typical,  Reformist and Replacement Person, who was giving Bad Accusations –  against Christian Zionists, for their beliefs/practices. They commented Badly, on the REAL TRUTH, of Zion Christianity.

Here are my:

– Observations

– Rebuttals

– Full Bible, and Scriptural Explanation/Evidence, in Defence – of our Support of Israel.

I noticed, that everything the report said, was a clear example – of the Terrible Dominion, kingdom now, arguments.

The Dominion People, tend to exaggerate, and interpret Scripture – in a biased way, even Lying, to make their point.  They say that they are not “Anti Israel”,  but Actually, THEY ARE VERY ANTI-ISRAEL.

They say that they support Palestinians also, but actually (generally), they ONLY SUPPORT PALESTINIANS –  and never support Israel EVER.  They in fact, keep attacking Israel, as a state.

The report in question, was from a Reformed Theological Position.  I will now show, what this author said publicly, on his website report – and then give my reply to each false accusation of his.  I will tackle, only the most revealing sections of his report, which are in serious error – and do not represent the truth, accurately.

Note that this Blog, also contains other articles, which can be used as a response – to the Dominion objection, against Israel.  You can find these articles, at the bottom of THIS article.

Much of our Christian emphasis, on foreign policy in the Middle East today, is based on the Promise – that God made to Abraham in Genesis 1 2: 3   “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curses thee.  In thee, shall all families of the earth be blessed”.

Someone Said:  The first half of this verse, is a promise, that God made to just one person – Abraham.  The original language, is in the second person singular, meaning that God is speaking – only to Abraham.

My Reply:  Not True:  That person, deliberately ignores the latter Promises, given in future Scripture – specifically to Isaac. Then to Jacob.    The promises, were not specifically Fulfilled in Abraham.  They were actually related, to his later time, with the introduction of Israel.

This shows, that the promise to Abraham, was carried out through Isaac (not Ishmael) – and then through Jacob.  God then gave special promises to Jacob, and renamed Him Israel, which means:  “He contends (or wrestles), with God”.

Incidentally, that was a prophecy, with the great promise to Israel – as the new nation of God, in the Old Testament times. 

Although Israel, as a Nation, would have a history “wrestling” with God – God would still honour them, as His special chosen people.  He will still Bless them, whenever they turned back to Him.  God calls Himself:

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

This shows, that God’s chosen people Israel, came through the line of Abraham – and that the original promise, was uniquely for them.  In fact it was, through Israel, that the Messiah Jesus came.

We then read later, in 3 Chapters of Numbers 2 2 – 2 4,  how God showed His Love for Israel.  He also indicated, that His original promise to Abraham, was specifically for Israel.

Balak sent Balaam, to curse Israel.  But God went to great lengths, to cause Balaam to BLESS Israel instead.  Which he did.  He even sent an Angel, and caused a Donkey to speak.

There are some Beautiful Prophesies, within chapters 2 3 – 2 4, which show – how God is going to BLESS Israel, and how He views them.  Numbers 2 4: 9, is where we get the verse:  “May those who Bless you, be Blessed, and those who curse you be cursed!”

Someone mentioned about, Matthew Henry, who said: “This was the promise, that crowned all the rest.  It points to the Messiah …..”

My Reply:  Again, completely wrong.  I used to have the whole Bible, with volume of Matthew Henry commentaries. Therefore, I do know quite a bit about him.   He wrote his commentaries, in the 1 8th century. This was WELL BEFORE Zionism began, and therefore, long before Israel became a nation again.

Matthew Henry commentated on the Bible, verse by verse, from his Preconceived and Reformed Theological position.  Therefore, we should ignore his Terribly Bad Thoughts.  Each interpretation, was Badly influenced, from his GIVEN theology.  He should have allowed, the Bible to dictate, what his Theology should be – rather than being too open, to his Badly Given theology.

Henry, was of the Replacement crowd, and he strongly argued Two Hundred years ago, that Israel will never become a nation again.    So, how does he explain 1 9 4 8, when Israel became a nation again.  How wrong he has proved to be, all those years ago!!!

Remember, God said, that if a man prophesies Falsely, then he is NO PROPHET – but is a False Prophet. Therefore, we cannot use Matthew Henry (any more) as an Authority voice, because we are told, that he is a False prophet!!!

Question raised:

Sometimes it is pointed out, that the various Arab nations, including Palestine – are also descended from Abraham.  The Christian Zionists say, that the promise of Genesis 1 2: 3,  applies only to the Descendants of Isaac.

Of course, there is no specific mention of Isaac, in Genesis 1 2: 3.   That section of the Bible, only refers to Abraham.  To understand the Full Blessing of:  Isaac, Jacob and Finally Israel, we need to look at the Bible Book of Genesis 2 1: 1 2.

Genesis 2 1: 1 2  says  “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned”.  Through Isaac!  This is referring to Jacob, but mostly referring to the ULTIMATE NATION Israel.

God also bestows His blessing, on Ishmael and his Descendants, saying:  “For I will make him a great nation.”

My Reply:  I don’t know, which Christian Zionists, he is referring to. There are certainly some Zionists, who are way off beam, like Word of Faith preachers.  But most Christian Zionists, are not from Word of Faith, and do not dispute – that God has promised, to make the Arab nations great.

We acknowledge this promise, and see the evidence of it today, with the Arab nations becoming very wealthy – and influencing the World globally, through their oil.

However, the smaller Blessing to Ishmael,  was totally different – from the whole major Blessing, given to Abraham.  This Abraham Blessing, was specifically for the Nation of Israel.  If they compared the Two Blessings honestly, they would have to acknowledge, that there is a BIG difference.

Question:  Bad Zionists say, that there are these type of interpretations, of Genesis 1 2: 3

– Non-literal

– Speculative

– Spiritualized

They state, that we are to give:  Total Unquestioned support, to some of Abraham’s children.  But others of Abraham’s children are to be:

– Hated

– Persecuted

– Ethnically Cleansed

– Bombed Back into the Stone Age

– Maybe even Nuked.

My Reply:  Same answer as per my last reply.  I don’t know, which Christian Zionists, he is referring to.  True Christian Zionists DO NOT say those things.

Their Question:  Christian Zionists, claim to have 7 0 million followers in America. They insist that our politicians, render unquestioning obedience, to the military and political agenda – of the Israeli Government.

My Reply:  This is a terrible sweeping untrue statement.  It is simply not true, and at best, is greatly inaccurate – and terribly exaggerated.

What they don’t tell us, is that the Christians of TODAY, hardly ever support Israel anymore.  They who support the Arab nations, and specifically Palestine – are now greater in numbers.  Do you actually support them, and not Israel, yourself?

Their Question:  Nowadays, liberal Jewish groups, still protest their human rights – and oppose violations in Israel.  Nevertheless, most fundamental Christians, would never dream of helping Jews, as it is against their religion.

It is their duty, to either deny, that such violations take place – or else to endorse, and commend such violations.

We have been told, that God will smite us, if we disagree with anything that Israel does. The lawgiver Moses, commanded the Hebrews, that they should not oppress the strangers – or non-Jews in their lands:

Exodus 1 2: 4 9,  2 2: 2 1,  2 3 : 9

Leviticus 1 9: 3 3 – 3 4,  2 5: 3 5

Deuteronomy 1 0: 1 8 – 1 9,  2 3: 7,   2 4: 1 7,  2 7: 1 9.

These words are spoken, by those opposed to Israel. This is why, they finish with these terrible following words:  That message, of course, is not mentioned today – it is considered:  “Politically Incorrect.”

My Reply:  Same answer to the last one.

The real truth of What Christian Zionists actually do, is expose the lies of Israel’s opponents, and try to show the truth – of what is actually happening. They do this within the military, and show, how the military/politicians etc – are simply trying to protect their own survival – against constant evil Islamic attacks, against them.

The truth is, that Israel (since becoming a nation) have tried to do their very best. Of course no-one is perfect.  Despite imperfections, they have mostly tried their best, to maintain peace – and at the same time, have tried to protect the residents, from Islamic threats.

The Media, constantly spread lies in the news, by showing images – that have later proved to be from Palestinian/Islamic sources.  They Project a False picture of Israel.

There is tremendous, continuous activity, going on regularly – trying to discredit Israel, but at the same time they FALSELY show,  that Palestinians are Victims.  Their False Stories, are simply not true.

Israel is certainly not perfect, but it is much more humane, than their Islamic neighbours!!!   Zionists are simply trying to present the facts!

Their Question:  In Jeremiah 2 7: 6 – 1 7.  The prophet advocated, the surrender of Israel’s territory, to the King of Babylon – in return for peace today.  We would call it:  “Land for Peace.”

But today, our war-mongering televangelists, want to altogether remove – the peaceful statement of:  Land for Peace”

As they believe, peace is unthinkable, for any reason whatsoever. They now threaten God’s wrath.  This against anyone, who would support Israel.

My Reply:  What nonsense!

Again such wild interpretation, and wrong application of scripture. The reason Israel gave up land, is because God exiled them, at that specific time – for their evil activities.  This was the case, until God restored them back to the Land HIMSELF, after they repented from these evil activities of constant idolatry.

In the past, Israel were exiled from their land, NOT FOR PEACE – but because GOD did it, because of sin.  Israel never yielded up their land, for peace reasons!!!

However, in our days now, since 1 9 4 8 – God has changed things.  In the Old Testament, we were told of a time in the future, when God would restore Israel to Himself.

God later told us, that HE would bring back the Jews into the Land, to save them. The start of this, was proved true, in 1 9 4 8.  But later, there will be a much greater salvation time, especially during the last 7 years – of the Jewish Tribulation time.  This will be in a new time AFTER “The desolation of MANY generations”

Those Jewish People would NEVER again, be replaced from the Land.  God was telling us, that there will be a time in the future, when God would restore Israel to Himself.  God told us in Ezekiel 3 6 to 3 9, that Israel would become a nation again, because GOD will do it.

Israel would first come, in hardness of heart, as dead bones – but eventually they would rise again, as a spiritual people.  Although they are still a sinful, secular nation, God will pour out His Spirit on them – at some point.  It is GOD who decides, who has the Land!!!

Their Question:  Strangely said in 1 9 9 4: The Christian Zionist leaders, would include Pat Robertson?

My Reply:  Stop right there! There we have it – Pat Robertson.  They are using this awful Christian Person, who is these things:

– Apostate

– Ecumenical 

– Prosperity Preacher

Pat Robertson is linked to Word of Faith, as an example of Christian Zionists.  Well … He is definitely not a good one, to quote!!!

Their Question:  Modern-day Israelis, and other Jews, are well aware of the fact – that the Christian Zionists, believe in the mistaken interpretation of:  Zechariah 1 3: 8?

This tells us, that there must be a devastating war, in the Middle East – in which two-thirds of all the Jews, will be slaughtered.  It is commonly understood, that the Christian Zionists, do not really care about what is best for the Jews.

My Reply:  How are we misinterpreting that chapter?  In the Bible, Zechariah chapters 1 2 – 1 4 and many other prophets, tell of the same event.  These events have never happened, though reformists will tell you, that it has already happened. They spiritualise/allegorise the CLEAR message away.

The scriptures are clear, that two thirds of Jews, will indeed be killed.  It is untrue to say, that we don’t care.  Of course we care, and pray for the salvation of the Jews.

We are not trying, to deliberately cause their downfall.  In fact, we are trying to preach to all Israel, and the Jews –  warning them, if they do not repent, they will become part of those two thirds.

We preach, that they can be spared, IF they receive Jesus as their Messiah.  Our efforts are to try to save them, and warn them, about these prophesies – because GOD said IT WILL HAPPEN!  Therefore, they need to repent, and call upon the Lord as a Nation – and then they will receive, massive spiritual blessing.

Their Question:  The New Testament teaches, that Christians are to focus on the heavenly Jerusalem, not just the earthly one.  John 4: 2 1,   Galatians 4: 2 4 – 2 8,   Hebrews 1 2: 1 8 – 2 4.

See also Hebrews 1 1: 1 3 – 1 6.

We are told, that even Abraham, has no further interest in a restored Jewish state – on earth, because he is in a much better place in heaven.

My Reply:  Wow.  Yet again decimation of the text.  Hebrews 1 1 is showing us the importance of Faith, and that we have an eternal destination, that is more important and more real.   Hebrews 11 NEVER said, that Abraham was not interested, in a restored Jewish state.

The author to the Hebrews, was simply showing, that the focus of our Faith – should be on God’s promises, and the future glory, and not on our immediate changing circumstances.  The WHOLE scriptures teach, that GOD IS INTERESTED, in His own promises to Israel – as a Nation, and HE WILL fulfil it.  Let us look at the context of Hebrews 1 1: 1 3 – 1 6

Abraham and his whole family, had received promises of future blessing, which included receiving a country of their own.  Although they themselves, did not experience the joys, of that country under God’s rule – they trusted/believed God, that He would bring it into being.

Their hope, faith and aspirations, were for this country – and specifically, the City of Jerusalem.  In their minds, it was a spiritual City, and is actually a picture – of the City, that all believers long for.

We are wrongly told, that the PHYSICAL country would not come into being.  But in fact, we are truly told, that it WILL happen.  It was this, that Abraham etc looked forward to, that is – the natural country.  For Christians, it is the Spiritual country.  The physical, HAS STILL been promised.

It says, that Abraham had no regard, for just any country – otherwise he would have returned to the godless country, that he had just left.  But he continued on, until he reached Canaan, the land that was to become Israel later. He was inspired, by his Faith in God’s promise.

Here are the other articles, which cover similar types of material, as THIS article – and can be used, as a response to the accusations, also:

http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/10/has-god-finished-with-jews-and-nation.html

http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-christians-should-stand-up-for.html

http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.co.uk/2010/06/flotilla-is-example-of-actual-satanic.html

http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2010/10/letter-from-jacob-prasch-revealing-some.html

http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2010/09/present-day-israel-is-nation-of.html

http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.com/2010/07/what-olive-tree-of-romans11-represents.html

Posted by John Chingford at 2: 1 2 pm

Labels: Biblical Truth, Global Arena Political and Religious, Why Christians Should Stand Up For Israel

John Chingford

An important note now, re my writings March 2022 above, for you to read first. This helps us have more clarity, over these.

Much of the original essence has not changed.  It is now, that some words have been changed, to make things easier to read. But the essence, is still mostly there.

I have now changed, some of  the writing/detail of the above now.  I now use wording, that is much easier to read, and be understood.

1 7 comments:

Deborah (Discenring the World) said…

Hi John

I was sent to read this article you wrote because a lady on my site is confused as to what a Christian Zionist is?I’m also a bit confused, can you please explain.

Thanks

4: 3 8 pm, July 1 5,   2 0 1 2

John Chingford Said

Deborah

As I understand it, a Christian Zionist (CZ) is a Christian, who supports the Land of Israel – as being a homeland, for the Jewish people. There are different categories of CZ.  Some are like John Hagee, who goes too far, and believe – that the Jews do not need salvation in Jesus, and will not receive it.  Obviously, that is wrong.

The rest of my article, tackles what TRUE Christian Zionism (according to the Bible) is, and why following TRUE Christian Zionists – is absolutely scriptural.

Here is a link, which summarises it very well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

6: 1 2 pm, July 1 5,   2 0 1 2

John Chingford said…

Following on:

Let us not confuse “Zionists” with Christian Zionists. Much of FALSE Zionism, has its roots, in the Illuminati – as being a political movement.  Many Zionists are very influenced, or even controlled by the Terrible Illuminati organisations.

Some “so called” CZ, may well have the same involvement.  But the actual term CZ (in its simplicity), is simply related to those believers, who seek to bless Israel.

With that in mind, I would call myself a CZ.  That is because, I seek through prayer, teachings etc – to bless the Jews, and support the Jewish Homeland. This is because, the LAND was given to them, by God HIMSELF.

I certainly, will have NOTHING to do, with the political/illuminati aspect – of Zionism.

7: 4 3 pm,  July 1 5,   2 0 1 2

Colin said…

John, If I may just add my two-pence worth.

I am a Christian Zionist, because briefly:

1) I am a believer in the birth, death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, and believe in His atoning blood shed at Calvary for my sins.

I believe entirely that I can never be reconciled with my creator God, other than through His only begotten Son, born of a virgin, crucified, and on the third day, risen to eternal glory, where He sits at the right hand of God His Father interceding for all who call on His name.

To cut it short, I believe that I am a sinner saved ONLY by the grace of God; Ephesians 2.8. I can never be saved by works (when will I have done enough??) I believe we (all of us) are no better than the repentant thief on his cross.

2) I believe in ALL the Old Testament Scriptures that await their literal fulfillment.

That the literal 1000 year Messianic reign of Christ WILL come very soon, after the darkest night of Israel’s apostate history, and set up His kingdom on Mount Zion ( Isaiah 59.20, Joel 2.32,3.16,17, Amos 1.2, Zechariah 8.3,14.4 and many, many other Scriptures.

In short I am a Christian Zionist ONLY because I believe in the very fact that our blessed Lord and ONLY Saviour will come back to this earth and rule from Mount Zion in a coming literal kingdom on this planet earth.

Read Isaiah 2.3; And many people shall go and say, come ye and, let us go to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us His ways, and we will walk in His paths: FOR OUT OF ZION SHALL GO FORTH THE LAW,AND THE WORD OF THE LORD FROM JERUSALEM.

Micah 4.2; Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths:for OUT OF ZION SHALL GO FORTH THE LAW, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

It is very simple. We ARE Christian Zionists because we believe in His coming, literal kingdom when the law shall literally rule from Zion, in His COMING kingdom! Read also Jeremiah 31.33,Zechariah 7.12, Hebrews 8.10,10.16. God bless

1 0: 4 3 pm, July 1 5,   2 0 1 2

John Chingford said…

Hi Colin

I hear what you are saying. You are correct.  Zion can be applied to the Millennial Kingdom, after the 7 years.  It relates to the people of God. This, as described in the Bible.

However, this article relates, to what outsiders mean by Christian Zionism. This article (and the comments), addresses their criticisms, and false presentation – of who we are.

Everything written here, is as related, to what the public notion is – of the term “Christian Zionism”.  That is, as it appears on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

1 0: 5 3 pm, July 1 5,   2 0 1 2

Myfanwy said…

Hello John

As I am sure you are now aware, it was me that asked Debs on DTW, about Christian Zionism.

I was getting confused because of some things I read. You did talk to me about it at one stage, and you also posted your article on your blog in defence of Christian Zionism.

My enquiry to Debs was mainly because I have been reading up on the Illuminati…and I was not sure how this all fitted into Christian Zionism. I was also insulted by someone on his blog, he is a false teacher anyway, but he was saying that Christian Zionism is evil.

Thanks for your response to Debs, and thus to me.. I did not want to ask you as I know you are busy and indisposed at the moment. Also the topic of Zionism came up on DTW.

God bless you John, I hope all is well with you.

1 1: 1 4 pm, July 1 5,  2 0 1 2

John Chingford said…

Thanks Myfanwy

Are you clear on it now? Can you now see the distinction, between the different forms of Zionism?

Not all Zionism, is influenced by the illuminati/masons etc.   Generally, true Christian Zionists, are those believers – who stand alongside Israel independently, and should not be illuminati/mason linked.

1 1: 5 5 pm, July 1 5,  2 0 1 2

Burning Lamp said…

John, thank you for clarification on this subject. Some of the confusion is coming from certain “discernment” sites (NOT Discerning the World which is excellent) but others that have thrown Israel under the bus and in a twisted sort of way hopped on the Replacement Theology bandwagon. IMHO how one views Israel is tied to one’s eschalogical views.

If one tosses dispensational Bible teaching on the ash heap of false doctrine, one cannot possibly understand the significance of the land of Israel.

These “discernment” ministries connect Israel to evil acts, even the 911 attack and make claims that Israel has been an aggressor. Nothing could be further from the truth.

There may be a certain element of Judaisim that is corrupt and of course Israel has rebelled against the Lord. But they are still the apple of His eye and if one chooses to villify them, they in a sense poke God in the eye. Not a smart thing to do.

God is not through with Israel yet – He keeps His covenant. They will suffer for their rebellion, but after the Church is safely home He will then begin the next chapter and focus His attention on Israel.

2: 5 0 am, July 1 6,   2 0 1 2

Deborah (Discenring the World) said…

Hi John

But the actual term CZ, in its simplicity, is simply related to those believers – who seek to bless Israel. With that in mind, I would call myself a CZ, because I seek through prayer, teachings etc to bless the Jews…

Ok I understand, but what bothers me is that if you are a born again Christian you will seek to pray for Israel etc, etc, etc. But I don’t see why you have to change your name. I Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. (Psalms 122:6) but I wont call myself a Christian Zionist. Nope. I am just a born again Christian.

I think the moment you add names like Zionist to ‘Christian’ you are opening up a can of worms. Just call yourself a Christian and keep it simple.

God knows what you are doing for Israel, no one else needs to know.

7: 3 3 am, July 1 6,   2 0 1 2

Myfanwy said…

Yes I can see the distinction now.

Thanks John, I remembered that I had also watched a video that had got me slightly confused on the issue of Zionism. But you know me, I keep asking and digging until I understand!

God is always good to me, He knows I seek truth in all things, and he hears me and gives me the answers. I really am blessed that I found your blog, and now DTW too!

1 0: 2 9 am, July 1 6,   2 0 1 2

Colin said…

John

That may well be the case. However I care not what the public perception of CZ is.

The Abiding Word of God should be our guide; not all this political, Illuminati nonsense!

Don’t get me wrong, I well understand that there is wickedness in high places (Ephesians 6.12) that are controlling the events of this world.

Let us NOT depart from the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus, 2.Corinthians 11.3, and be done away with all this pseudo intelligentsia?

We are CZ’s because God is coming back to rule from Mt Zion…Period!

God bless

1 0: 3 1 am,  July 1 6,   2 0 1 2

John Chingford said…

Hi Colin

I am assuming, that you are a supporter of Israel, who believes that God STILL has a special plan for the Jewish people. This is based, on things you have said before.

That 1 9 4 8 was not a “Political Accident”,  but is a fulfilment, of biblical prophecy.

We need to bear in mind, that nothing happens by accident, without God knowing about it – through His intervention and Sovereign acts.  God is bringing the Last Days to a closure, by bringing the Jews back to the Land.  As it says in Ezekiel 3 6: 2 2 – 2 4:

“It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for My holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you went.  I will vindicate the holiness of My great name which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord”

This was declared by the Lord God.  Also declared was:

“When I prove Myself holy among you in their sight.  For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land.”

Colin, am I correct to assume, that you believe these things? Please confirm!

If so, I can agree with the other things you have said. However, if you are in fact “Replacement”,  then I cannot accept – that you can call yourself, a Christian Zionist.

1 0: 4 5 am, July 1 6,   2 0 1 2

John Chingford said…

Thanks BL and Deborah

Deborah, I agree with you.  I don’t actually flaunt myself, as a Christian Zionist, nor actually call myself that – Except when I need to make a point.  You are right, I am just simply a Christian, a follower of Jesus.

The ONLY reason, I have called myself a “Christian Zionist” here, on this article – is because of the subject matter, and to make a point of the real TRUTH.

It is others, who call us “CZ” , and distort it completely.  For the purpose of this article ALONE,  I am identifying myself with Israel, trying to correct the errors – of our accusers, by using “Their” own term, and then showing what a true CZ looks like.

Outside this article, and outside the argument, I NEVER call myself a CZ.  Can you see, what I am trying to say?

1 0: 5 0 am, July 1 6,   2 0 1 2

Deborah said…

John

I doth understandeth

1 0: 5 4 am, July 1 6,   2 0 1 2

Colin said…

John

I GUARANTEE that we are singing from the SAME hymn sheet on this topic!I have never called myself a CZ (Sounds like an old motorbike!) and never would!

Like I have said before, call me a CZ because I believe in the coming literal Messianic kingdom when the law shall go forth from Zion (Isaiah 2.3). It is a way of identifying with Israel’s coming Messiah to Mt Zion,(our Messiah as well!). THAT IS ALL!

There is much misunderstanding here. Replacement theology is not biblical…PERIOD! I never have, and never can believe in replacement theology. The Church is NOT the new Israel-never can be!

There are (A-Millennial reformed theologians that teach this utter nonsense).

I believe that the Church and Israel have a common salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ, and that there is NO other salvation, past,present or future other than through the blood of the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world (Rev 13.8).

I am not, and would not belong to or affiliate myself with ANY political organisation..period.

I believe our mandate is purely to preach the gospel and witness to a lost world.

I have no sinister hidden agenda! I am a Christian!

What next?

It is easy to see how things get confused!

God bless you.

2: 0 1 pm, July 1 6,   2 0 1 2

John Chingford said…

Thanks Colin, for being so clear, on the matter.

As I said, I got the impression from something you said before, that you were indeed on the same page –  regarding this subject matter.

God bless

2: 0 5 pm, July 1 6,   2 0 1 2

Colin said…

John

I now make the connection!  I have just logged on to DTW.  I have made, possibly Seven or Eight posts there, over the last couple of months – I believe.

I entered Deborah’s site through a link, and just like your site I have commented on a few subjects, mainly to do with eschatology, NOT exclusively so, I may add! Because I don’t agree with the pre-tribulation rapture. There are some folk who think that I have Roman Catholic, Word of Faith, Calvinist ties because I am opposed to pretrib.

I focus a lot on eschatology because it is a very important doctrine. How can it not be? We are talking about the Saviour’s return!! I agree that escatology is a very divisive subject and you would appear to handle it tactfully!

As Christians there are other issues that divide such as healing and tongues for example, but we should always try and utilize as much grace as possible in dealing with such. I am sure you would agree that James 3.1 is a good text to be aware of when writing in blogs.

God bless

9: 5 4 pm,  July 1 6,   2 0 1 2